Dan, Roger Stone and I saw the Eagle and the RH Woodpecker at a different location (though the boat ramp area is a good place for RH Woodpeckers). The Eagle and RHW were in another group of dead trees uphill from the visitor center. (Roger, if you're out there, could you give more specific directions? If not, I'll look at my Black Hill map and pinpoint where we were.) As far as thinking Seneca Creek State Park (SCSP) is better, it was mostly a jab at Roger (who lives near Black Hill and considers it "his" park- I live near SCSP and consider that "my" park). However, Clopper Lake at SCSP is smaller and therefore affords better views (in general) of waterfowl, especially if you don't want to lug around a scope. Plus, I can walk to it. This is probably from what my preference derives. I have found SCSP to be productive for my purposes. There are plenty of birds and a wide variety of them. If by "productive" you mean that there are those birds that everyone gets excited about (RHP's, eagles, rarities, etc.), then maybe SCSP is not as productive as other places. I have lived near the park for only a few months, and am very grateful for being able to visit it regularly. On the lake, which can be circumnavigated via Lakeshore trail (almost 4 miles) in a couple of hours, many ducks make appearances. This winter I can remember seeing Ruddys, Ringnecks, a Redhead (a few days ago), Wood Ducks, Black Ducks, Mallards, Wigeons, Red-breasted Mergansers (14 this week), Common Mergansers, a Tundra Swan, Buffleheads, and Coots. On Lakeshore trail I have see other birds of interest. In the pine stands (adjacent to Longdraft Rd, across the lake from Longdraft Rd, and behind the boat rental area), Red-breasted Nuthatches have been around all winter, Great Horned and Barred Owls have made appearances and lately I've seen a couple of Hermit Thrushes. Along the stream that is in between the two pine stands near Longdraft Rd I've seen a Winter Wren. As the trail goes past the boat rental area (if you are walking away from the main entrance to the park and the maintenance area), there is a small patch of tall grass and brush that is great habitat for sparrows. I have seen Pine Siskins and Purple Finches there this winter. Last summer I found a Cedar Waxwing building a nest in a pine tree there. Continuing around the lake, you get to a road which abuts a bunch of huge rocks. The view of the lake from the road is wonderful. If you pick up the trail from the road, the wooded area immediately to your right is great for woodpeckers- Downies, Hairies, Red-bellieds, Pileateds, Flickers and Sapsuckers (alas, no Red-headeds). I have seen a Phoebe, Wood Ducks, and all of the usual backyard birds this winter in the coves on the side of the lake opposite the boat rental. On the other side of Longdraft Rd, there is an active Red-shouldered Hawk's nest (I was fortunate enough to see the two birds "do the nasty" yesterday). Judging by all the drumming I have heard, there will also be plenty of woodpeckers raising broods there too. Sharpies, Cooper's and Red-tails are also common. There are bluebird boxes throughout the park. Last year, a total of 101 bluebirds were fledged from SCSP alone. Many have stayed in (or migrated to) the park this winter. I realize that I have probably gone on too long, but I'll mention a couple of other points of interest. There is a wetland area with an observation platform that can be accessed from Riffleford Rd. There is also a brand new trail (Greenway trail?) on the opposite side of Riffleford. A few of us checked it out recently and it's very scenic. A Winter Wren, a Swamp Sparrow and a Harrier were the highlights of that walk. A short distance away from these two trailheads is a large field adjacent to a sewage/water building of some sort that is alongside Great Seneca highway. Kestrels and Turkeys have been seen there. There are also powerline cuts throughout the park that provide nice vistas and plenty of edge-habitat birds. I could go on, but I won't. Maybe after the breeding season is over I'll report on the spring & summer birds that are in the park. I have seen very few, in fact, almost no people birding in the park when I visit. Maybe it's just bad timing or maybe it isn't a popular spot. Either way, it's a great place to bird (if you are interested in birds as I am). Hope this helps. Andy Rabin Gaithersburg, MD andyrab@wam.umd.edu On 5 Mar 1998 daniel.eberly@gsa.gov wrote: > > Hi Andy Rabin, Can you provide the location where you saw the Red > Headed Woodpecker in Black Hill. I assume the Eagle and the Red Headed > Woodpecker were in the dead trees near the boat ramp area. Since I > have not found Seneca Creek State Park very productive and it is a > very large park, will you provide some specific areas in the park that > you recommend for birding. Thanks, Dan Eberly >