Hi Folks! Kathy Klimkiewicz wrote: "I agree but again feel that no one should emphatically state that 'this bird cannot be a Common Gull' when they have not even seen any documentation from the person(s) who first saw the bird in question. " Documentation from someone else can not replace first hand experience. There is a running joke among a group of birders...."Did Mark & Michael see the bird well enough that I can list it?" It does not matter what someone else saw: what did You see and how did you reach your conclusion? I saw and photographed The Conowingo Gull. I have read the relevant literature and have had the pleasure...though many years ago...of examining all of the Common Gull (Larus canus canus) specimens at the Smithsonian. It was actually a lot of fun, but also my job. I was employed at the time on the team which was entering specimen data into a computer database. Our job was to verify the identification of every specimen....we discovered numerous errors which were double-checked by the Curators. The Gull Collection still has problems...mainly in the Larus argentatus complex.....the Ring-billed/Common Gull specimens are correctly identified. I have never been to Europe to see a live Common Gull.....but will gladly visit if someone will supply the airfare. I have seen literally hundreds of thousands of Ring-billed Gulls. There is a range of variation in all plumages. Nothing about The Conowingo Gull is inconsistent with being a Ring-billed Gull. The pattern of the wing coverts is not consistent with the pattern described in literature or the specimens in the Smithsonian for a Common Gull. The only thing that may move me to the opinion that the bird could be a Common Gull would be authoritative sources that indicate the wing covert spots on Common Gull can be arrowhead-shaped, like Ring-billed Gull. ] On a similar note, some may recall that a Selasphorus hummingbird visited my feeder several years ago. I have been asked "Has it been conclusively identified as a Rufous or Allen's, or is it simply a Selasphorus?" I would ask all who saw the bird to give their opinion...and why they made the identification. To date, only one observer has submitted documentation and their opinion to the MD/DC Records Committe. Of you saw the bird and have notes or simply an opinion, please send something to the Records Committee. I have my own opinion, but until I complete some further research into an as yet untested method of discriminating between Rufous and Allen's.....I shall remain silent. Good Birding! Jim Jim Stasz North Beach MD jlstasz@aol.com