In response to Rick Blom's submission on "The Gull": At last! Thank you, Rick! I think it was you who noted earlier that all of this discussion should serve as a learning experience. This is the first intelligent discussion of the issues and reasoning that went into current examination of "The Gull's" photos. I was having problems with the discussion up to this point because pronouncements were being made, but with virtually no discussion of the reason behind those decisions. Once again, thank you for laying out the issues and research strategies required to critically examine a bird such as this one. Cheers, Norm =============== Norm Saunders Colesville, MD osprey@ari.net